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The Black and White Problem In Milwaukee Wisconsin: A Condemnation of America

Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:58 PM EST
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The opinion of this observer is, race matters in the American society and discrimination and racism is alive. Contrary to main stream dictates such as the entertainment industry, the media, political/politicians, and academia proclaiming otherwise, these public avenues have in fact determined the American citizen’s social status in America. This belief that somehow now in America's history that racism evaporated from the fabric of the society is a hoax. More important, it is a covenanted or aggregated plot to continue the systematic practices of discrimination in America. In other words, a covert ploy to perpetually confine and use the children of American X slaves as social degenerates to support the past and present structure of the American economical foundation and economy.

For instance, the various studies and reports conducted about the social condition and circumstances facing Black people living in Milwaukee, WI, compared to Whites and Hispanics living in the city between 1991 and 2012. The University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Center for Economic Development has published more than 43 such reports and studies over the past two decades. The most recent released, January, 2012 “Race and Male Employment in the Wake of the Great Recession: Black Male Employment Rates in Milwaukee and the Nation’s Largest Metro Areas , by Marc V. Levine.

Mr. Levine report points to discrimination “Disparity” is the new politically correct word or substitute term used when studying the social environmental effects of racism and discrimination against Black Americans living in America “ (Muhammad) in employment against Black males, 16-64 working ages living in Milwaukee. It is a comparative study using employment census data over the past 40 years that bears witness to a “meltdown,” (see report) in employment opportunities for Black males. According to Levine, the report further finds that the incarceration rate for Black males is increasing and has increased by an alarming rate when compared to Whites and Hispanics in Milwaukee during the last decade... Levine states, “An average 5,000 working age black males have been incarcerated annually in Milwaukee since the early 2000s, a growing number for non-violent drug offenses. These are 5,000 men annually, not employed, but not counted in official unemployment statistics, as they are not in the active labor force. A fact rich in symbolism and a telling indicator of the social and economic crisis facing Milwaukee: more Milwaukee African American males were admitted to Wisconsin correctional facilities in an average year in the 2000s than were employed at the end of the decade as production workers in factories in the city of Milwaukee (Levine, P. 8).”

Ruth Zubrensky published a report in July, 1999 entitled, “A REPORT ON PAST DISCRIMINATION AGAINST AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN MILWAUKEE, 1835-1999” The report unveils a pattern of discrimination active even now in January 2012. “History has handed down the name of the first Black man to arrive in Milwaukee in 1835. His name was Joe Oliver, and although he was a popular figure, he was nicknamed “@!$%# Joe” already a demeaning and humiliating epithet. He worked for two years as a cook for Solomon Juneau, Milwaukee’s first mayor, when Milwaukee was only a small trading post... (Zubrensky, 1999)

Zubrensky's book is a hard find on the internet, but worth the effort to view realistic and documented proof of a 176 year old covenant that was established to subjugate Milwaukee’s Black community. (To locate locally check the Milwaukee Public Library System).

It is an undeniable fact when studying social variables and their negative affect on the Black race or group within the American society, that the true implications of the so-called “Disparity Reports and Studies,” (presented to the world’s eye through the vantage point of this observer and member of The Descendants of X Slaves” and “Native Tribal” people in America) are aggregated proof that the City of Milwaukee is a social microcosm in the environmental social fabric of American racism

In other words, America’s great experiment has failed. Overall, it has practically destroyed the Black community in Milwaukee, Wisconsin to the degree that Milwaukee's Black community is perceived as an uncivilized group of people by the rest of humanity on the planet. And in doing so, America's standing as the most powerful nation on the planet has forgotten her past, crippled the present, and gives no hope to the future standing as a civilized society in the eyes of God and Humanity.

 

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John Franklin Mason

Holding the Founding Fathers in high esteem is the last remaining barrier to Racism and Bigotry in America.

It sets a double standard to place men that committed the atrocities of kidnapping, human branding, torture, murder and rape on a pedestal as Historical Patriotic Icons of Freedom, Liberty and Equality. It says there is such a thing as White Supremacy sanctioned in America.

Libertarians, Conservatives, TEA Party, Republicans and the Religious Right advocate the "Hard Work Ethic" of the Founding Fathers which was Slavery. They espouse the "Christian Family Values" of men who enslaved and raped women in the pursuit of happiness. Men know to sell their own children borne by the women the Founders raped.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:25 PM EST
John Franklin Mason

correction: Holding the Founding Fathers in high esteem is the last remaining barrier to eradicating Racism and Bigotry in America.

The Wealth of men and the United States were created on the backs of slaves!

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:30 PM EST
feliznavidad

A fabulous post! Yet another way currently of ensuring that the continued degradation of X-slaves is protected, the right wing pulls out the aspersion "play the race card' the nano-second anyone wants to talk about racism in America. This nonsensical coiche is meant to absolutely ensure we can't discuss the way barriers for African American employment and education are continually being erected. On this Martin Luther King day, let us remember that the struggle for Civil Rights is an ON-going struggle. Let the current republican campaign for systematic state-sponsored voter suppression be one place where we stand our ground against discrimination now.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:07 PM EST
CommisarCain

Holding the Founding Fathers in high esteem is the last remaining barrier to Racism and Bigotry in America.

People hated other ethnic groups long before the Founding Fathers were even born.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:00 PM EST
John Franklin Mason

People hated other ethnic groups long before the Founding Fathers were even born.

CommisarCain

True that. However those people are not held in high esteem as American Icons of Freedom, Liberty and Equality are they?

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:06 AM EST
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Doris Jude Porter

Milwaukee, Wisconsin is like hard core racist Mississippi Some Milwaukee people living in fear, have no jobs, harassment from the police, unclear laws. Governor Walker is like a nightmare walking . Govenor Scott walker policies favor the rich, police brutality, Mayor Tom Baret policies of unfair practice only favor the upscale side of town and not the poor side of town Mayor of Milwaukee lack leadership which make Milwaukee the Worse city to live in.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:03 PM EST
tyler-1708225

#2. The Milwaukee School Board is evenly split between white and black. So there is leadership.

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:09 PM EST
GApeach-922415

The Milwaukee School Board is evenly split between white and black.

Oh well, there you go. If Blacks are on the School Board, then the racism is okay! Let's ignore the substance of what Doris is saying, and concentrate on the irrelevant crap.

  • 3 votes
#2.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:57 PM EST
J. W. Welch

Doris

What part of Milwaukee do you live in?

    #2.3 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:01 PM EST
    Doris Jude Porter

    Welch maybe in your neighborhood. Keep making progress in Milwaukee is worth it.

      #2.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:36 PM EST
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      tyler-1708225

      #1.1. Only a small percent of whites even owned slaves.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:05 PM EST
      feliznavidad

      Only a small percentage of whites owned anything!

      • 4 votes
      #3.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:07 PM EST
      tyler-1708225

      #5.1 Then it wasn't just slaves that were kept down, it was also poor whites. Do you not think they also contributed. The North managed to do fine without slaves. Even free blacks had slaves.

      • 1 vote
      #3.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:12 PM EST
      John Franklin Mason

      #1.1. Only a small percent of whites even owned slaves.

      tyler-1708225

      Most freeman were paupers and vagabonds who were even excepted from the right to privileges and immunities of citizens in the Founding Fathers founding doctrine the Articles of Confederation (the Constitution is not your Founding Fathers doctrine). Some states populations were 50% more or less Slaves.

      Because of slavery there was little to no value to labor, freeman and/or their families had to sharecrop or barter their and/or their families labor for room and board. Most Freeman did not have the right to vote.

      • 2 votes
      #3.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:04 PM EST
      Baron Brian

      Freedmen also lived with a varying degrees of danger, that they would be kidnapped, shipped south and sold (or re-sold) into slavery. They were nominally "free," but they had virtually no rights.

      It should be noted that many of the free blacks who could afford to buy slaves, bought close relatives---like parents, siblings, spouses and children---in order to keep them off the general slave markets.

      • 2 votes
      #3.4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:33 PM EST
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      tyler-1708225

      And worked them? Kept them chained? Come on you can come up with all the excuses you want, but free Blacks did have Black slaves, the Native Americans had slaves, Blacks sold Blacks. When the Black gained their freedom, they then rode with the calvary to round up the Native Americans and take their freedom away. And saying "The Wealth of men and the United States were created on the backs of slaves!" is ridiculous. Is there even anything that exists in the U.S. from the days of slavery except for historical building/markers?

      • 2 votes
      Reply#4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:44 PM EST
      GApeach-922415

      When the Black gained their freedom, they then rode with the calvary to round up the Native Americans and take their freedom away.

      Tyler, PLEASE read a book. Your earlier posts were ignorant enough, but if you don't even know the basics of American history, then you should have your citizenship revoked for being brain dead! I'm really pissed that anyone could be this inexcusabley ignorant! My fifth grader has a better grasp of history.

      Tyler, when white men arrived in America weren't they greeted by Native Americans?...Didn't they enslave those Natives, and kill off the majority of them?...Isn't that when and why, they brought African slaves to America, to replace the people they already killed off?

      If you fine ONE Native American with a tale of how the white man AND a African rode through, stole their land, enslaved their people, etc., I'll "go back to Africa" with bells on!

      Whitney Houston said it best, "Crack is whack"! Please seek help!

      • 5 votes
      #4.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:19 PM EST
      Repoman-1208817

      GAPeach, are you making this up as you go along or are you that unaware of History? Don't get me wrong, you are going in the right direction, just on the wrong road. You might want to question what your fifth grader is being taught in school and get yourself educated before you claim black slaves were needed because the Indians were killed.

      Slavery in the USA started as indentured servitude but when these servants did their time they wanted land...land in colonial America was power. Land owners wanted a better system to consolidate their power so they looked south to the sugar plantations in the Caribbean to see their work model and thus launched slavery in colonial America (heavily summarized...and historically accurate).

      Did colonists use indians as slaves? Yes. Did indians use whites and blacks as slaves...yes. Did blacks use indians and whites as slaves? Yes. People also used Asians as slaves. The world is full of a history of slaves. Slavery is bad on its own but to pretend slavery was created in colonial america by whites is to accept a massive amount of brain washing and it ignores the facts about blacks in Africa selling people to slavers. It also ignores thousands of years of history and slavery...but in the USA we eat up how horrible white people are because it fits the political agenda. Never mind thousands of years of slavery perpetuated by all races.

      • 2 votes
      #4.2 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:42 AM EST
      Baron Brian

      @tyler,

      There is not doubt that some free blacks owned slaves. As I previously stated, some of these free blacks bought relatives in order to protect them. Others went into the slave markets and bought slaves, then treated their slaves as badly as any white slaveowner. If it true that most whites were not slaveowners (and it is), then the number of black slaveowners is even much, much smaller.

      And the fact that there were black slaveowners doesn't justify the existence of a system that these black slaveowners did not create. The black slaveowner also did not endanger the cohesion of the country or start a war that killed nearly a million men to protect slavery (and yeah, I am completely aware that thousands of black troops fought for the Confederacy during the war, and many were volunteers).

      Black participation in the system does not excuse them from anything---nor does it absolve those people who created the system and "gave their last full measure of devotion" to keep it going. After all, it wasn't a black man who became Vice-president of the Confederacy and said openly that the new nation was built on the idea that blacks were inferior, and that slavery was their natural condition.

      @Repoman,

      IMO, the difference between slavery in the USA and slavery in most of the rest of the world is that eventually, slavery became almost totally restricted to one specific group of people, and also became an inherited social condition that this group of people were born into and for the most part, were trapped in. It's absolutely true that blacks sold other blacks into slavery in Africa, a fact that should not be ignored.

      Let us also not ignore the fact that when the Transatlantic slave trade was outlawed, the black slaves were bred like animals in order to keep the "work force" at full strength and psychologically conditioned (with varying degrees of success) to accept lifetime servitude.

      It is, though, a huge mistake to act like colonial white Americans invented the entire mess of slavery---although IMO it can be argued that they made some horrific "customizations" to the peculiar institution. After all, slavery still exists openly in parts of South America and Africa today---and if the discussion turns to sex slavery, can be found everywhere, including the USA---and often, there's not a white person around for miles in any direction!

      That said, Eric Holder was 100% correct when he said that Americans (black and white) are cowards when it comes to race. We the People have yet to have what I call The Talk---because it is a conversation where some hard things will have to be both said and heard. But until we do, we're never gonna get past the horrors of slavery in America, the reverberations of the past will continue to affect the present (and the future), and "the beat will go on."

        #4.3 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:33 AM EST
        Kavika

        GApeach, the ''Buffalo Soldiers'' were used to fight, capture or kill NA's. Although I agree with your post, the turning of one minority against another was part of plan.

        BTW I'm NA.

        • 2 votes
        #4.4 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:38 AM EST
        J. W. Welch

        GApeach

        You might take your own advice and read a book, specifically 1491 by Charles C. Mann. In it you will learn that disease, smallpox especially, was responsible for the vast majority of deaths among the indigenous peoples of North America.

        Kavika

        Where might one go to find some background on this "plan" you speak of?

          #4.5 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:15 PM EST
          Kavika

          J.W. read the history of the Buffalo Soldiers. Divide and conquer has been used for centuries.

          If you want to read more history on the European/NA clash, 1491 is a start. There are many other books by actual NA's that can also give you a better view. Disease was a major killer, but so were the Indian Wars, slavery, forced assimilation. Best to look at all sides.

            #4.6 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:25 PM EST
            J. W. Welch

            Kavika

            I'm familiar with the exploits of the 9th and 10th Cavalry Regiments.

            Mann makes a very strong case for disease being THE major killer of Indians in the Americas. This of course in no way excuses the excesses of white Christians (the Spanish in Mexico and Peru were especially nasty) with regard to treatment of native peoples. But, slavery had its own part to play in the big picture.

            I think MeanGene makes valid points (wonder of wonders) regarding the problems of many Blacks today. Granted, racism is there, but there's much more to the picture than that one cause. Ignorance and a refusal to be educated is not the path leading to becoming a functioning member of any society.

            • 1 vote
            #4.7 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:51 PM EST
            Kavika

            J.W. Mann of course is looking at it from a white perspective. Did disease kill many NA's, without a doubt it did. Did wars kill many NA's, without a doubt. The Spanish in California and later the ''Gold Rush'' wiped out many tribes (Ishi, The last of his people) or the Modoc wars of California. The list goes on, but the main point being that NA's were almost wiped out. From appx 18 million in 1492 to 250,000 at the turn of the century (1900). Forced assimilation also being a main culprit to this, add the ''Boarding Schools'' that destroyed generation of NA's and you have what is evident today. A culture that has survived no matter what the Europeans did to destroy us.

            As for the black situation, it is close to the NA experience on some reservations. The question that I'm asked many times is: Why don't they leave the reservation. The answers are many, but one should always remind themselves that the whites put us on reservations. (for many years it was illegal for Indians to leave the rez.) Starting with that premise it gives more reasons as to ''why they don't leave''...Many NA's are culturally tied to the rez no matter where they live, either urban of rez NA's it is a place that our spirit, cultural and customs are valid.

            It should be noted that most NA's don't live on a rez. Over 2/3 rds live off rez. So when the question is asked, or we are told of the alcoholism, drug and poverty on the rez, I would ask, what about the white alcoholics, drug addicts and poverty. It seems that you have the same problem we have.

            Racism did and still does play into the equation. Being old enough to remember when there were signs were I lived that said ''No Dogs or Indians'' is a reminder that it wasn't that long ago that racism was the law of the land so to speak.

            What I find interesting is that only the poor, drug addicted or outside of society are the ones talked about. I rarely hear about the Blacks or NA's that are successes in life, which are the majority.

            There is a Ojibwe saying ''Gakina Awiiya'' we are all related, although many believe that they, for some reason are superior, the truth of the matter is, the journey ends the same way for all of us, no matter your color.

            Most history is written by whites. That of course tends to express their viewpoint, which is the opposite of NA's or Blacks.

            Waanakiwin (peace)

            • 1 vote
            #4.8 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:49 PM EST
            J. W. Welch

            Kavika

            I rather doubt that the mass killing of a population by disease can have any perspective other than a purely human one. Perhaps solid scholarship by non white historians is needed to correct any deficiencies in our shared history.

            In any event, I agree we are all definitely related despite the erroneous perception by some that they are some how superior merely because of skin tint.

            Waanakiwin

              #4.9 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:11 PM EST
              Kavika

              J.W. most everything about the history of the U.S. is written from a white perspective. That said there are many NA's that are scholars and are doing exactly as you suggested.

              Baamaapii (until later)

                #4.10 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:44 PM EST
                John Franklin Mason

                but in the USA we eat up how horrible white people are because it fits the political agenda. Never mind thousands of years of slavery perpetuated by all races.

                Repoman-1208817

                In the good old USA it is ignored that the Founding Fathers committed atrocities of slavery and yet are held to be Icons of Freedom, Liberty and Equality.

                The Right political agenda calls for returning to the "Hard Work Ethic" of the Founders and that is "Slavery." The Religious Right espouses the "Christian Family Values" of the Founding Fathers, men known to rape their babies momma's and sell their babies.

                You cannot mitigate what the Founding Fathers did by pointing to what others did and those others are not the ones being held in high esteem as American Icons.

                • 1 vote
                #4.11 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:10 AM EST
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                MeanGene-3334839

                You've got over half of Blacks in Wisconsin dropping out of High School and the reason they're unemployed is RACISM?

                The problem will never be solved so long as a straw man like RACISM is set up to take the fall because the problem is the fact that uneducated people (black, white, doesn't matter) are simply not employable in today's Information Age.

                One of the weapons used to oppress and control slaves was a law which forbid teaching blacks how to read and write. The slavedrivers knew that education was a path to liberty and freedom which they must deny to their chattel.

                So why do the sons and daughters of slaves continue the practice of denying the educations which would free them, open up employment opportunities and break the bondage formed by illiteracy?

                In the Brown vs. Board of Education decision, civil rights leaders fought for and won the right to an equal education for Blacks, finding that "seperate was not equal" and showed a strong belief in the idea that education is key to parity in economic opportunity.

                Until Black kids start graduating instead of dropping out of class, the problems will continue and it won't be fixed by crying "racism".

                • 6 votes
                Reply#5 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:57 AM EST
                lifeisgood43

                Dropping out of school has nothing to do with not getting a job because more black people graduate than not and they can't find a freaking job. America has always being a very racist and bigot place to live. The so-called founding fathers started they down fall for the black race.

                • 1 vote
                #5.1 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:53 AM EST
                MeanGene-3334839

                Dropping out of school has nothing to do with not getting a job because more black people graduate than not and they can't find a freaking job.

                Actually, the link I gave proves that most black people (in Wisconsin, we're talking about Wisconsin) do NOT graduate.

                Even worse, 47% of Blacks are functionally illiterate. 15% of High School Graduates cannot read above the 5th Grade level. When you have a Level I literacy rate (5th Grader or Below) then your employability is about the same as your average 11-year-old kid.

                Employers are like fishermen. They go to the lakes where the fish are worth catching. In places with rampant illiteracy and crappy schools, there are so few people worthy of employment that it's not worth casting the line in that fetid pond. The workforce is so undereducated and unskilled that nobody could make money setting up shop in that Wisconsin hellhole.

                America has always being a very racist and bigot place to live.

                I've never found it to be racist or bigoted. Have you seen our current US President? If that doesn't prove there's no racism or bigotry then I don't know what does.

                The so-called founding fathers started they down fall for the black race.

                Yeah, that whole Civil War thing and the Emancipation Proclamation by Abraham Lincoln, that was just an aberration right?

                • 4 votes
                #5.2 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:52 AM EST
                kazutam

                MeanGene

                You've simply got to understand there is a differing definition of "equality" being used here.

                For MOST "equality" means equal opportunity.

                For those that wish to bring things like this up "equality" means that there should be an equal outcome, no matter how much effort or lack of effort goes into the equal opportunities presented.

                • 3 votes
                #5.3 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:08 AM EST
                MeanGene-3334839

                You've simply got to understand there is a differing definition of "equality" being used here.

                Please don't underestimate my understanding. You're describing outcome-based equality, such as is found in efforts to change grades in school courses so that everyone who passes gets the same, either "Satisfactory", Unsatisfactory" or "Incomplete".

                The problem is that the academic world is fine for experiments like that but they don't work in the real world. Businesses don't trust diplomas anymore. That's why Arizona went to the "AIMS" (Arizona Instrument to Measure Standards) test to try and assure employers that an Arizona High School diploma means "THIS KID IS JOB READY".

                The result? A 62% High School Senior failure rate (mostly due to science) and a scramble to change the law so that passing the AIMS test wasn't a prerequisite for a diploma.

                I've taken the AIMS test, it's available online and I don't think it's really that difficult. Yet 2 out of 3 kids taking this test fail it? No wonder employers shy away from young employees in droves. Outcome-based education has made hiring 20-somethings a losing proposition.

                Do you want to see how ill-educated people really are? Here's how to do it. Depth perception.

                Most victims of the public education system do not know what depth perception is. It requires binocular vision and the simple way to prove it is to take two pencils, one in each hand, and touch the erasers together. This is easily done with both eyes open. Then try it with one eye shut. OOPS! Not going to happen. Most people do not understand their own eyes because our educational system is pathetic. There is no "JOB READY".

                • 3 votes
                #5.4 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:08 AM EST
                kazutam

                You're describing outcome-based equality,

                Which sadly appears to be the type of "equality" that many "Blacks" think that there is in this country.

                Sorry for them but the promise in this country is equal opportunity, which means exactly that everyone is offered an education thru the 12th grade, NOT equal outcomes.

                Like anything else in life you get out of it(the educational system) what you put into it.

                • 1 vote
                #5.5 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:00 PM EST
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                lifeisgood43

                Like I said before, it does not matter if black people graduated anywhere in America because the black un-employment will always be hire than any nation %. That is the way it has been in America since the 1st black person set foot in America.

                Of course you never saw America has a racist and bigot place to live. It doesn't bother you at all how black people were and how Gays are treated in America. As a black man, I have had 9 DWB's. Never even sat in the backseat of a police car. Never been arrested in my 45 year old life.Went to the Military and was called the N-word more times than not in the Military in my life. Gay people are attacked everyday in America by someone who is nothing but a bigot. Gay people are not even excepted all over America. So of course none of this stuff bothers you. You don't have to deal with it.

                So you think that some white man fighting for black people rights after decades and decades make it alright. The problem is that black people should have had the rights already. Black people shouldn't have to depend on some white man to come save them. I have never heard a black man who had to come to the rescue of white people rights. See you see it as a good thing and I don't. Once black people should have always had their rights. It still took a long time just for black people to vote and many die fighting for that and many spent time in jail for that. Once upon a time in America, killing black people was legal.

                PS... the so-called founding father told black people that they were worth3/5 for a very long time in America. Also people think that after 200 years, a non-white winning the Pres means that racism is gone. NOT

                  #6 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:32 AM EST
                  MeanGene-3334839

                  Like I said before, it does not matter if black people graduated anywhere in America because the black un-employment will always be hire than any nation %. That is the way it has been in America since the 1st black person set foot in America.

                  That's not true, Blacks do no have the worst unemployment rate. The Black unemployment rate is 15.8%, which is lower than the teenager unemployment rate of 23.1% and far lower than the Felon unemployment rate of 75%.

                  Of course you never saw America has a racist and bigot place to live. It doesn't bother you at all how black people were and how Gays are treated in America. As a black man, I have had 9 DWB's. Never even sat in the backseat of a police car.

                  What the heck is a DWB? There's no ticket for that. I sit in police cars all the time, ride in police helicopters, I have fun with the police. They've got a great job, except for the whole getting shot at by punks thing.

                  I think a lot of it is the attitude. You feel the need to mention that you're a black man several times, and I don't even think of myself as white. It's not an identifying factor in my life and makes absolutely no difference in it.

                  So you think that some white man fighting for black people rights after decades and decades make it alright. The problem is that black people should have had the rights already.

                  Blacks did have the rights already, they've got no right to complain. They got emancipation in 1865 with the 14th Amendment, and Women didn't achieve suffrage (19th Amendment) until 1919. Women were oppressed for half a century longer than Blacks were and they're not whining about crap that happened about a hundred years ago.

                  Sheesh, get over it already. Nobody in the USA is old enough to have even met a slave.

                  • 4 votes
                  #6.1 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:10 AM EST
                  feliznavidad

                  While many groups have indeed had slaves, white people have always managed to enslave by far the most people -- sometimes also other whites. However, this fact is irrelevant in understanding the history of African Americans in America for a number of reasons, most importantly, no other group but African Americans suffered the massive repression due to slavery in America that African Americans did. (Not to discount the genocide of the Native peoples -- both were heinous -- just different). Whites enslave massively -- Romans, for example, had 3 slaves for every freed person. Here is a summary from author Nigel Kerner:

                  The greatest savage of all our kind in the history of our human species has sadly been the white Euro-Caucasian. This is not a racist charge, it is simply the truth. Though outnumbered five to one in the world by other racial groups, the occidental white has proven, in terms of numbers, to be the greatest killer of the human genus the planet has ever known. The ratio of people killed by this group, set against those killed by non occidental groups over the past few thousand years, is estimated at over seven hundred to one. The Huns, the Goths, the Visigoths, the Vikings, the Angles, the Saxons, the Romans, the Greeks, and most recently, the Germans, the British, the French, the Russians, the Dutch, the Spanish, and the Portuguese, have between them in their colonizing greed accounted fro some of the most draconian evil against innocent humanity the world has ever known.

                    #6.2 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:48 AM EST
                    CommisarCain

                    While many groups have indeed had slaves, white people have always managed to enslave by far the most people -- sometimes also other whites.

                    The Asians and Africans have had far more slaves than Europeans ever did.

                    The greatest savage of all our kind in the history of our human species has sadly been the white Euro-Caucasian.

                    As awful as the Vikings were, they couldn't hold a candle to Genghis Khan.

                      #6.3 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:59 AM EST
                      johnny angel

                      The effort to settle Texas brought pioneers with slaves which was illegal by Mexican law. When Mexico challenged the slave-holders, war ensued and the rest is history. Slavery is a horrid part of how America was formed. On MLK day we need look in our hearts for any lingering cowardice.

                        #6.4 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:18 AM EST
                        MeanGene-3334839

                        While many groups have indeed had slaves, white people have always managed to enslave by far the most people -- sometimes also other whites.

                        "White people?" We live in a civilized time, where no one is guilty by the color of their skin. Do you accuse me of owning slaves by virtue of the color of my skin? If so, then you are guilty of the same crime you accuse others of, that crime being racism.

                        I have never owned a slave. The last slave in America was freed quite literally 100 years before I was born. Am I to pay for the sins of my fathers? If so, even that doesn't apply because no one in my family ever owned a slave either.

                        I don't know if you've ever been to a slave plantation, but I have. The "Laura Plantation" outside of New Orleans by the Mississippi River is a good hard look at how difficult it was to keep slaves. Feeding and housing and such is no light chore.

                        What the Hell is an "occidental white" anyway? That's just making crap up. I'm about as "occidental" as Chuck Norris is a pacifist.

                        • 2 votes
                        #6.5 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:28 AM EST
                        lifeisgood43

                        MeanGene..... wow. You do know that black people make a large % of the teenage un-employment and a very large % of the Felon un-employment % too. Blacks are part of all you just mention, so black people un-employment % is the highest in ole racist America.

                        Now you are acting dumb in that you fail to know what a DWB is. I willing to bet that you know just what the hell it is. It is call "DRIVING WHILE BLACK' The police issue no tickets or arrested you. They just stop you on the bases that you look like a criminal or the car you was driving was reported to be leaving the scene of a crime. Of course it is all lies. So the cops have you either standing in handcuffs or bending over a hot hood of a police car in handcuffs while they search and destroy your car and your person. The police check for warrants. After nothing is found, they let you go to clean up the mess of throwing everything you have from the car on the ground and your pockets.

                        I mention I am black because I am and this topic is all about race relation in good ole racist America. It is your problem if you don't feel comfortable in your skin. Being black makes the world from me. Can't escape that.

                        You said that blacks had the rights already so we have no right to complain. Wow. YOU ARE 100 % WRONG !!!!! Black people got rights after decades of fighting and dying at the hands of the white man. That is the history that you like to leave out. You fell mad and embarrass what your people did so you want black people to shut up. Guess what, IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN !!!!!

                        Also black people will never get over it, so stop asking !!!!! NEVER

                        • 1 vote
                        #6.6 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:14 PM EST
                        lifeisgood43

                        Commisar Cain... we are talking about America. We are talking about what is happen in racist America.

                        • 1 vote
                        #6.7 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:20 PM EST
                        CommisarCain

                        Commisar Cain... we are talking about America. We are talking about what is happen in racist America.

                        Apparently we are not.

                        The greatest savage of all our kind in the history of our human species has sadly been the white Euro-Caucasian.

                        That is a statement about world history not American History. It is also false.

                          #6.8 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:22 PM EST
                          MeanGene-3334839

                          MeanGene..... wow. You do know that black people make a large % of the teenage un-employment and a very large % of the Felon un-employment % too. Blacks are part of all you just mention, so black people un-employment % is the highest in ole racist America.

                          Blacks are only 12% of teens and only 20% of convicted felons. America is not racist and it's ridiculous to suggest such a thing. The charge simply will not stick and it will not be believed. It's a ludicrous accusation to make and laughable on the face of it.

                          Now you are acting dumb in that you fail to know what a DWB is. I willing to bet that you know just what the hell it is. It is call "DRIVING WHILE BLACK' The police issue no tickets or arrested you. They just stop you on the bases that you look like a criminal or the car you was driving was reported to be leaving the scene of a crime.

                          That's called racial profiling and it doesn't happen in the USA. Why didn't you call it what it was instead of making up some stupid acronym that nobody has ever heard of? Cops don't ever stop anybody based upon their race, they'd be fired immediately and run out of town on a rail because that's not tolerated in America. There's no tolerance for police brutality.

                          I mention I am black because I am and this topic is all about race relation in good ole racist America. It is your problem if you don't feel comfortable in your skin. Being black makes the world from me. Can't escape that.

                          I feel plenty comfortable in my own skin. I couldn't care less about what color I am, because it doesn't make any difference at all. Nobody's skin color makes any difference and it never has in my lifetime.

                          You said that blacks had the rights already so we have no right to complain. Wow. YOU ARE 100 % WRONG !!!!! Black people got rights after decades of fighting and dying at the hands of the white man. That is the history that you like to leave out. You fell mad and embarrass what your people did so you want black people to shut up. Guess what, IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN !!!!!

                          Waah waah waah. You're whining about silliness that happened in the 19th Century and we're in the 21st Century. You can only blame so much crap on past injustices from hundreds of years ago for so long before you have to grow the Hell up and look at the situation today.

                          Your accusations amuse me somewhat. I'm half-German, so would you like to blame Nazis on me while you're at it too? What you're attempting to do is defined in the US Constitution as a "BILL OF ATTAINDER", which means holding people accountable for the sins of their fathers. That's illegal in the USA, unconstitutional actually, and I'm not going to listen to it because it's not applicable. It's a damned foolishness to hold men accountable for the sins of their fathers. We don't do that in a civilized nation. That's savagery crap.

                          Also black people will never get over it, so stop asking !!!!! NEVER

                          I really don't care. That's your problem, not mine. I'm a cold, cruel, heartless bastard and your cries for sympathy are long lost on the likes of me.

                          • 2 votes
                          #6.9 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:31 PM EST
                          Kavika

                          ''Racial profiling doesn't happen in the U.S.''...ROTFL. ''America is not racist''...LOL..''Nobody's skin color makes any difference and it never has in my lifetime''.......Oh man, that is really funny. Your quite the comedian MeanGene..

                          ''I'm a cold, cruel, heartless bastard and your cries for sympathy are long lost on the likes of me.'' No, more like someone that doesn't know the history of the U.S. including the present.

                          Thanks for your opinion, I'll file that in the ''parallel universe folder''...

                          • 2 votes
                          #6.10 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:58 PM EST
                          MeanGene-3334839

                          ''Racial profiling doesn't happen in the U.S.''...ROTFL. ''America is not racist''...LOL..''Nobody's skin color makes any difference and it never has in my lifetime''.......Oh man, that is really funny. Your quite the comedian MeanGene..

                          Everybody is the same color on the Internet, and the only ones I see trying to change that are Blacks. Even when given a platform of absolute racial equality, Blacks play the race card like it's the only card in the deck.

                          • 2 votes
                          #6.11 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:24 PM EST
                          Kavika

                          I thought that we were talking about real life, not the internet. Isn't that what the article is about, real life in Wisconsin.

                          ''Even when given a platform of absolute racial equality, Blacks play the race card.'' That platform your talking about is the internet? or is it real life? Big difference between the two.

                          In my experience that equal platform in real life is a moving target, but that's just me. Perhaps in your world it's something different.

                            #6.12 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:38 PM EST
                            lifeisgood43

                            Like I said, black people are in all that group you claim as your evidence. I bet you that black teen un-employment is higher than white teen un-employment. I also bet that black felon is the higher that white felon in the un-employment. You are playing a game that you can't win.

                            Indeed that America is a racist and bigot place to live. Just about all of the great black men who stood up for their rights were either gun down or hung at the end of the white man rope. History tells us this. Gay Pride people haven't yet been able to marry all over America. We just let Gay People serve openly in America's Military and still other want that to go away.

                            So now you as a white man want to tell me that racial profiling doesn't happen in American. WOW. I guess those 9 times of being stop by the cops for no damn reason didn't happen to me. I mean you know me so well. I guess my driving the speed limit and obeying the laws and still getting stop by racist cops didn't happen to me. I mean since you know what has happen in my life.

                            It is so nice to know that your white skin has not been a bother to you. You couldn't last one day in black skin.

                            MeanGene... you know it is so funny how a white man are always telling us black people to forget about what has happen and what still happen, but you people love to bring up the past more than anyone else. People bring up the slave owners, the so-called founding fathers like no body business. But hey, when white people bring up those cats, it is okay to do so as long as you don't bring up how evil they was. Raping and killing their slaves and having babies with their slaves was the thing to do by the so-called founding fathers.

                            Like I said before, I WILL BRING UP ANY DAMN THING I WHAT TO. You no longer own me.

                            Also I don't @!$%# from the likes of you. NOTHING.

                            • 2 votes
                            #6.13 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:06 PM EST
                            MeanGene-3334839

                            I thought that we were talking about real life, not the internet. Isn't that what the article is about, real life in Wisconsin.

                            Milwaukee, to be more exact than Wisconsin. That's why I linked to the statistics which showed Black kids trashing their futures by dropping out of High School at a rate of over 50% in Milwaukee. You can't blame that on Whites. That's just self-destruction right there, economic suicide. If you wanted to be unemployed and poor for the rest of your born days, then throwing away your High School education is a damned good way to go about it.

                            ''Even when given a platform of absolute racial equality, Blacks play the race card.'' That platform your talking about is the internet? or is it real life? Big difference between the two.

                            It's REAL LIFE. Since Brown vs. Board of Education, a decision reached in 1954, before most of people alive today were even BORN, the schools have been colorblind, no "seperate but equal" and still idiots drop out of school for no good reason other than they want to be stupid and poor for the rest of their miserable lives while blaming their fate on somebody else.

                            In my experience that equal platform in real life is a moving target, but that's just me. Perhaps in your world it's something different.

                            My world is the real world. You know, the world where if you're too damned illiterate to fill out a job application, then it's not racism standing between you and the job.

                            • 2 votes
                            #6.14 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:16 PM EST
                            MeanGene-3334839

                            Like I said, black people are in all that group you claim as your evidence. I bet you that black teen un-employment is higher than white teen un-employment. I also bet that black felon is the higher that white felon in the un-employment. You are playing a game that you can't win.

                            Okay, explain to me this:

                            Black Female Incarceration Rate: 333 per 100,000

                            White Male Incarceration Rate: 708 per 100,000

                            White males are incarcerated at a rate more than double that of Black females. If race were the only factor, then that couldn't be true, as Blacks claim that they're getting locked away only because they're Black, a ridiculous claim.

                            Indeed that America is a racist and bigot place to live.

                            That's just silly. There are no racists or bigots in the USA. That's just a straw man set up to excuse the breakdown of a Black community which has a 50% school dropout rate and a 70% illegitimate birth rate which is nobody's fault but their own.

                            So now you as a white man want to tell me that racial profiling doesn't happen in American. WOW. I guess those 9 times of being stop by the cops for no damn reason didn't happen to me.

                            What's wrong with being stopped by cops? Is that your gross injustice? If so, that's a total joke. I couldn't care less if I got stopped by cops. I probably talk to 9 cops a day where I work, I'm in jails all the time and I'm not too shaken up by the experience. It's pretty pathetic to be afraid of the police. I guess I just don't suffer from a guilty conscience.

                            It is so nice to know that your white skin has not been a bother to you. You couldn't last one day in black skin.

                            It wouldn't make any difference at all because I wouldn't care, same as I don't much care about the color of the skin I have now. Skin color doesn't make any difference and it never has. Everybody has slaves in their history. My ancestors were enslaved by the Romans about 2000 years ago in Europe and you don't see me crying over that dumb crap like a candyass.

                            Like I said before, I WILL BRING UP ANY DAMN THING I WHAT TO. You no longer own me.

                            I never did own you. From your attitude, I don't even think I'd want to know you. The candyass victim mentality gets really old, really fast after all.

                            Also I don't @!$%# from the likes of you. NOTHING.

                            How very eloquent. Are you sure that your only problem with finding a job is racism and not attitude or educational attainment?

                            • 2 votes
                            #6.15 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:41 PM EST
                            Kavika

                            No MeanGene, your world is not the real world. I was born long before Brown vs Board of Ed..and if you think that 1954 changed the real world then you have no idea of history. You should look up the ''Civil Rights Movement'' and all that went with it. All that took place after 1954. If you choose to ignore history that is your choice. I tend to look at history and hope that we all learn from it.

                            "There are no racists or bigots in the USA''...You really can't be serious with that statement! LOL

                            • 2 votes
                            #6.16 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:23 PM EST
                            MeanGene-3334839

                            No MeanGene, your world is not the real world. I was born long before Brown vs Board of Ed..and if you think that 1954 changed the real world then you have no idea of history.

                            1954 was 58 years ago, and only 13.2% of the US Population is over the age of 65. That means at least 86% of Americans never went to a segregated school, and the ones who did aren't in the workforce any longer.

                            Besides, we're talking about Wisconsin here. Slavery never, ever happened in Wisconsin. Wisconsin was admitted to the Union in 1848 as a FREE STATE. No slavery. In fact, of the 50 States in the USA, ONLY 15 ever had slavery. 70% of the States in the USA never practiced slavery at all.

                            You should look up the ''Civil Rights Movement'' and all that went with it. All that took place after 1954.

                            The Civil Rights Movement doesn't mean anything in Arizona. This State never had a problem with Slavery, in fact Slavery was done and over with for 50 years before Arizona was admitted to the Union in 1912.

                            "There are no racists or bigots in the USA''...You really can't be serious with that statement! LOL

                            I've never seen any. The KKK, the supposed fearsome bigot powerhouse has a whopping total membership of about 5,000 nationwide. I've seen bowling leagues bigger than that.

                            • 2 votes
                            #6.17 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:25 PM EST
                            Kavika

                            MeanGene, are you saying there was no school segragation after 1954...You really don't know anything about history, past or present.

                            LOL, thanks for the laughs.

                            • 1 vote
                            #6.18 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:18 PM EST
                            MeanGene-3334839

                            MeanGene, are you saying there was no school segragation after 1954...You really don't know anything about history, past or present.

                            There wasn't any enforced by government, as it was illegal. That doesn't mean people don't self-segregate. You can go to most any school cafeteria and see that the cheerleaders eat together, the jocks eat together, the freaks and the nerds all go their own ways, and that's just human nature to hang around with people who have similar interests.

                            If you've got a DVD copy of the movie "Planet of the Apes", there's a director's audio track which describes all the actors in monkey suits (literally) and since the costumes took hours to put on, all lunch breaks were taken in costume. The director noted that even though everyone was humans in monkey suits (except Charlton Heston, of course) the Orangutans ate with Orangutans, Chimpanzees ate with Chimpanzees and Gorillas ate with Gorillas. It was an astonishing look at behavior based upon appearance.

                            A friend of mine said much the same thing when she was promoted from assembly to front office, and front office jobs have a dress code. You know the drill, no T-Shirts, no Jeans, No Sneakers, Business Casual. She told me people who used to not even acknowledge her existence were suddenly all "good morning!" and "how are you?"

                            It had nothing to do with racism and everything to do with appearance. If you dress like a bum then you get treated like a bum and if you dress like a million bucks then you get treated like a million bucks. That's why I don't wear t-shirts and jeans to work. If you wear t-shirts and jeans to work then you get a t-shirt and jeans job with a t-shirt and jeans paycheck.

                            • 2 votes
                            #6.19 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:44 PM EST
                            DS12

                            Besides, we're talking about Wisconsin here. Slavery never, ever happened in Wisconsin. Wisconsin was admitted to the Union in 1848 as a FREE STATE. No slavery.

                            While true MeanGene to think Wisconsin was the land of freedom would be wrong and they were not by themselves in that thinking.

                            Like many in the North, Wisconsin residents disliked slavery, but they also felt no desire to integrate with blacks, whom they felt were inferior.

                            • 3 votes
                            #6.20 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:09 PM EST
                            MeanGene-3334839

                            While true MeanGene to think Wisconsin was the land of freedom would be wrong and they were not by themselves in that thinking.

                            I'd call having the vote since 1865 pretty good. I wasn't old enough to vote until 1982! My only regret is that I only got to vote for Ronald Reagan once.

                            Wisconsin, historically, was easily one of the better States for Blacks in the Mid-19th Century to be in. It would be very difficult to name a friendlier contemporary.

                            This isn't the 19th Century, however. This is the 21st Century, many generations ago. The wounds and suffering should be long healed by now but they're still used as crutches.

                            I myself lost both of my grandparents to WWII. My Father was war orphan and my Mother's family suffered when her father (my grandfather) died of war injuries shortly after his return from Germany. My family suffered harsh setbacks of war and recovered in one generation flat.

                            When you're talking about 1860's, then how many generations is that? If you define a generation by 20 years, then that's over 7 generations ago. That's not like my Grandfather dying on the beaches of Normandy. That's a Great-Great-Great-Great-Great Grandfather and at some point, the damage done cannot be blamed on seven generations gone by.

                            Like many in the North, Wisconsin residents disliked slavery, but they also felt no desire to integrate with blacks, whom they felt were inferior.

                            So what? I'd think people from 1860 were inferior. Sheesh, they didn't even know how to make a light bulb or a telephone. They didn't know the difference between bacteria and a virus. They weren't very smart back then, half the infant mortality rate in the 19th Century was because doctors back in the day never washed their hands, but we're smarter today than they ever were so why even dwell on the past?

                            • 2 votes
                            #6.21 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:09 AM EST
                            angelaisafan

                            1954 was 58 years ago, and only 13.2% of the US Population is over the age of 65. That means at least 86% of Americans never went to a segregated school, and the ones who did aren't in the workforce any longer.

                            " Although it would be many years before all segregated school systems were to be desegregated, Brown and Brown II (as the Courts plan for how to desegregate schools came to be called) were responsible for getting the process underway. "

                            http://www.uscourts.gov/EducationalResources/ConstitutionResources/LegalLandmarks/HistoryOfBrownVBoardOfEducation.aspx

                            • 1 vote
                            #6.22 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:08 PM EST
                            angelaisafan

                            This isn't the 19th Century, however. This is the 21st Century, many generations ago. The wounds and suffering should be long healed by now but they're still used as crutches.

                            Is white resentment factored in your: wounds, suffering, should be long healed by now, still used as crutches meme? Why is white resentment discussed as a legitimate concern?

                              #6.23 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:53 PM EST
                              MeanGene-3334839

                              Is white resentment factored in your: wounds, suffering, should be long healed by now, still used as crutches meme? Why is white resentment discussed as a legitimate concern?

                              Where do you get "white resentment"? I've been discussing white don't-give-a-crap. NOT MY PROBLEM.

                              What the Hell am I supposed to do about a 50% school dropout rate among blacks? NOT MY PROBLEM. I can't fix that, I'm not about to try to fix that, and the only people who can fix that are the bad parents who say "okay!" when little Junior says he's not going to school anymore.

                              What the Hell am I supposed to do about a 72% illegitimacy birthrate among blacks? It ain't my trousers on the black woman's floor! NOT MY PROBLEM. I can't fix that, and the only people who can fix that are the parents and churches who fail to teach kids that sleeping around and sowing wild oats is wrong and destructive.

                              What the Hell am I supposed to do about 1 in 9 blacks getting incarcerated? It ain't me jacking cars and knocking over liquor stores! NOT MY PROBLEM. I can't fix that, and the only people who can fix that are the parents who aren't raising kids to OBEY THE LAW.

                              It's a don't-give-a-crap not-my-problem issue because I have NO ABILITY to do anything about the black community imploding as a total outsider. If I tell them what to do, then I hear "You Don't Own Me" and if I tell them I don't care then they play the race card like that's going to make me care. I don't give a damned, they're committing genosuicide and looking for the white guy to take the fall for their plight.

                              I'm not accepting that blame. Screw them. I've never even lived in a State which had slavery and there are practically no Blacks in Arizona anyway. Arizona is only 4% Black, hardly enough to even put together a decent race riot.

                              • 3 votes
                              #6.24 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:22 PM EST
                              kazutam

                              they're committing genosuicide and looking for the white guy to take the fall for their plight.

                              And they will manage to convince themselves and anyone else that they can that it IS the fault of "whites".

                              • 1 vote
                              #6.25 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:28 PM EST
                              MeanGene-3334839

                              And they will manage to convince themselves and anyone else that they can that it IS the fault of "whites".

                              Not all of them. BET (Black Entertainment Television) caught Hell for running this video a few years ago. (Warning: N-word, most profanities known to man, and other typical trappings of rap music videos at link)

                              There are Blacks who grasp the basic concept of the rotting of the fruit from within but I fear that their voices are drowned out by the blame-gamers who simply find it easier to set up a (white) straw man to explain away the maladies of generations lost to illiteracy and poverty.

                              Parents have to participate in the success of their children. If the parents dropped out of school, then their children are screwed too because their parents are illiterati and won't support education for the plain and simple reason that they can't.

                              It has nothing to do with racism. That's just a straw man, and blaming it on racism simply deflects and delays the changes which need to happen in order to resolve the issue.

                              • 2 votes
                              #6.26 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:08 PM EST
                              angelaisafan

                              Where do you get "white resentment"? I've been discussing white don't-give-a-crap. NOT MY PROBLEM

                              ...don't give a crap folks ignore topics they don't give a crap about.

                                #6.27 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:48 PM EST
                                MeanGene-3334839

                                ...don't give a crap folks ignore topics they don't give a crap about.

                                When jerks put their problems in your face and tell you that you have to give a crap about them, then politeness (such as it may be) demands a response, even if it's only "go to Hell".

                                It's like the bastards who knock at my door asking me if I've heard of the Jehovah's Witlesses. Why, yes, I have. Now please get your despicable cult-mongering ass off my front porch and don't try to save my soul ever again with your crappy Watchtower magazine you damned brainwashed subliterate sycophant bastard.

                                I would like to go through my life being left the Hell alone. When people demand my attention then they're going to pursue it until I tell them to leave me alone or else.

                                I'm like a rattlesnake that way. I don't get riled until you move my bush. Once you move my bush then all bets are off and you've got two choices. Leave me alone or deal with my wrath.

                                • 4 votes
                                #6.28 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:31 AM EST
                                angelaisafan

                                I'm like a rattlesnake that way. I don't get riled until you move my bush. Once you move my bush then all bets are off and you've got two choices. Leave me alone or deal with my wrath.

                                Your wrath is rooted in the life you live.

                                  #6.29 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:25 AM EST
                                  John Franklin Mason

                                  I'm like a rattlesnake that way. I don't get riled until you move my bush. Once you move my bush then all bets are off and you've got two choices. Leave me alone or deal with my wrath.

                                  MeanGene

                                  From State to State to Congress America is cleaning House of Snakes this coming election. Millions have signed up to clean house in Wisconsin alone.

                                  The Koch boys have the dope and are real snake charmers, me, I just beat them down to a pulp.

                                  MeanGene, would you mind if I were to use you as an example of how holding the atrocious Founding Fathers in high esteem as Icons of Freedom, Liberty and Equality warps some people's mind?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #6.30 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:29 PM EST
                                  MeanGene-3334839

                                  From State to State to Congress America is cleaning House of Snakes this coming election. Millions have signed up to clean house in Wisconsin alone.

                                  That's a crock. The incumbency rate in the USA is about 95%, and of the 400+ Senators and Congressmen running for reelection, about 380 will be returning to their well-padded seats to be sworn in again come 2013 and do you want to know why?

                                  It's because whenever some jokers say "throw the bums out" they always mean "the other guy's bum" and they go right ahead and re-elect their own incumbent every time.

                                  Look, we're talking about Wisconsin, right? Do you know what the Wisconsin delegation looks like? Of course not, liberals don't ever have possession of that kind of civic knowledge, and most couldn't name their own Congressman to save their welfare checks.

                                  The Wisconsin Senator is Herb Kohl (D) and he's retiring. Are Wisconsin voters going to throw out the (D) and replace him with an (R)? Hell no! They're going to vote for the (D). The ballot could say "BEELZEBUB (D)" and the voters of Wisconsin would just see the (D).

                                  Milwaukee County is in the 4th Congressional District and is represented by Gwen Moore (D). Are Milwaukee voters going to turn her out and vote for an (R)? Yeah, right, when pigs fly. No Republican ever gets more than 30% of the vote in Milwaukee County. Milwaukee is not going to be throwing out any bums or cleaning any Congress up. It's just a lot of lip service that doesn't mean beans when election day comes.

                                  The Koch boys have the dope and are real snake charmers, me, I just beat them down to a pulp.

                                  Nope, you just think your useless and stupid vote matters when it doesn't. You're a Democrat in a Democrat owned area and whether you vote against a Republican or not won't make any difference because your vote means nothing in a Republican owned area. You will vote for One Representative, One Senator and One President out of the 400+ elected officials running for re-election, and 99% of them don't need or want your pathetic liberal vote because their names aren't even going to be on your ballot.

                                  MeanGene, would you mind if I were to use you as an example of how holding the atrocious Founding Fathers in high esteem as Icons of Freedom, Liberty and Equality warps some people's mind?

                                  I hated the founding fathers because they'd touched marijuana and no human being who has ever dared to touch marijuana deserves any respect. Bastards who touch pot should be thrown under the jail.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #6.31 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:13 AM EST
                                  John Franklin Mason

                                  Look, we're talking about Wisconsin, right? Do you know what the Wisconsin delegation looks like? Of course not, liberals don't ever have possession of that kind of civic knowledge, and most couldn't name their own Congressman to save their welfare checks.

                                  MeanGene

                                  For the most part with few exceptions Wisconsin is a Conservative State. Polls show Conservative grassroots are the most illiterate.

                                  Who gets welfare? Despite prevailing stereotype, whites, not blacks, collect greatest share of public aid dollars

                                  Has anyone forced you to rant and rave with stereotype bigotry?

                                  It's a don't-give-a-crap not-my-problem issue because I have NO ABILITY to do anything about the black community imploding as a total outsider. If I tell them what to do, then I hear "You Don't Own Me" and if I tell them I don't care then they play the race card like that's going to make me care. I don't give a damned, they're committing genosuicide and looking for the white guy to take the fall for their plight.

                                    #6.32 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:46 PM EST
                                    MeanGene-3334839

                                    For the most part with few exceptions Wisconsin is a Conservative State. Polls show Conservative grassroots are the most illiterate.

                                    Do you mean the Wisconsin which hasn't given one single electoral vote to a Republican Presidential Candidate since 1984? You call that a Conservative State? Fidel Castro would win in Wisconsin before Mitt Romney. There are no Conservatives left in Wisconsin. You're talking about a State which actually voted for Michael Dukakis to be our President.

                                    Speaking of illiteracy, try the math illiteracy foisted upon the public by that pathetic link of yours. If you run the REAL numbers per capita instead of by raw numbers like the spinmeisters hoped the readers would be too dumb to do, it turns out that 1:12 Whites get welfare checks while 1:3 Blacks get welfare checks. Blacks actually take QUADRUPLE the welfare.

                                    The Black numbers would even be worse if they counted the free meals Blacks get while in prison.

                                    Has anyone forced you to rant and rave with stereotype bigotry?

                                    The stereotypes wouldn't exist without any truth supporting them. It's not bigotry if it's true.

                                    Black males have a 1 in 4 chance of incarceration during a lifetime, while White males have a 1 in 23 chance of incarceration during a lifetime.

                                    Why are Black males winding up behind bars six times more often than White males? The kneejerk answer would be "it's racism" but it has nothing to do with that and everything to do with the Black matriarchy caused by a 72% illegitimacy rate among Blacks and absenteeism of fathers in Black homes.

                                    This is also why poverty is double the rate for Blacks as for Whites. While the White poverty rate is an astonishingly high 13%, over 27% of Blacks live in poverty. The median income for a Black household is only $32,000 per year, for Whites the median is $52,000, or $20,000 per year more.

                                    It's not caused by racism. It's caused by broken homes.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #6.33 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:33 AM EST
                                    John Franklin Mason

                                    MeanGene sounds like you got the best dope money can buy, the Koch brand. Thing is many of the statistics are created by a miscarriage of justice due to racism and that is in part what the article is all about.

                                    The stereotypes wouldn't exist without any truth supporting them. It's not bigotry if it's true.

                                    MeanGene

                                    White Texas Police office Tom Coleman is the perfect example:

                                    Tulia gained notoriety following a drug sting in July 1999 that rounded up 46 people, 40 of whom were African Americans. The remaining detainees were white people known to have ties within the black community, and in fact lived in the "Black" part of town. Nearly one-third of Tulia's Black males were arrested, about 15% of the town's Black population.[6][7] All charges were based on the word of undercover officer Tom Coleman, a so called "gypsy cop" who made his living traveling through impoverished rural Texas offering to work undercover cheaply for short periods of time for underfunded police departments. Coleman claimed to have made over one hundred drug buys in the small town. He never recorded any of the sales, but claimed to have written painstaking notes on his leg under his shorts and upper arm under his shirt sleeve when nobody was looking.

                                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulia,_Texas

                                    The KKK operated with impunity for one hundred years with few prosecutions, a handful of the untold thousands of crimes which they committed.

                                    Jack Johnson, the Scottsboro Boys, Marcus Garvey and Darryl Hunt, to name a few, are examples of the malicious racist prosecutions of Black People in the United States.

                                    And Black drug abusers account for most of the numbers of Blacks incarcerated while ironically Whites actually have a higher rate of drug abuse.

                                    Whether intended or not, a variety of seemingly "race neutral" policies have contributed to growing racial disparity. Due to the intersection of racially skewed policing and sentencing policies, the federal crack cocaine mandatory sentencing laws, for example, have produced highly disproportionate rates of incarceration for low-level offenses. Similarly, school zone drug laws produce severe racial effects due to housing patterns, whereby drug offenses committed near the urban areas that contain many communities of color are prosecuted more harshly than similar offenses in rural communities populated largely by whites.

                                    Policies that produce high rates of incarceration for racial and ethnic minorities affect not only the persons who are incarcerated, but their families and communities as well. Such impacts include the growing number of children with incarcerated parents, gender imbalances in communities experiencing high incarceration rates, and declining political influence through high rates of felony disenfranchisement.

                                    http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_stateratesofincbyraceandethnicity.pdf

                                      #6.34 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:12 PM EST
                                      kazutam

                                      MeanGene

                                      As stated above it's all because of "racism".

                                      You've simply got to understand that certain folks in our society have a death-grip on that EXCUSE and will never let it go.

                                      I mean after all the school dropout rates, single parent households, and criminal activity can ALL be "blamed" on racism, and if you disagree with that assertion that simply "proves" what a "racist" you truly are.

                                      You really need to get on board with the current mindset in the country. You know the one where it's the "rich evil white folks" who are to blame for everything.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #6.35 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:29 PM EST
                                      MeanGene-3334839

                                      And Black drug abusers account for most of the numbers of Blacks incarcerated while ironically Whites actually have a higher rate of drug abuse.

                                      Drug abuse doesn't get people arrested. There are no Supercops looking through walls to catch a perp with weed or crack or meth. Nope, those arrested do stupid things that attract the attentions of the local constabulary.

                                      It's like the way drunk drivers get caught. It's not because cops can smell the booze on their breath from a block away and track it right to them. NOPE! The number one cause (I have a lot of cop friends, hazard of my job) for drunk drivers getting busted is failure to use headlights. Other attention-grabbers are failure to stop, failure to signal and other boneheaded moves that make a cop think something is wrong.

                                      The reason dopers get busted is because they're doing stupid crap, same as DUI offenders. Stupid crap would include doing drugs in a drug-infested neighborhood. Of course cops are going to bust people in drug-infested neighborhoods. It's like shooting fish in a barrel, doing drug stings in a bad neighborhood.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #6.36 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:39 PM EST
                                      MeanGene-3334839

                                      As stated above it's all because of "racism".

                                      You've simply got to understand that certain folks in our society have a death-grip on that EXCUSE and will never let it go.

                                      Understand it? It's impossible to even make SENSE of it! For example, the oft-repeated urban legend of the CIA spreading Crack Cocaine to keep the Black man down. The problem with that silliness is that the plot would be foiled by JUST SAY NO. If the CIA comes by with a crack pipe and says "try this" then who in their right mind would think that's a great idea? It's a stupid plan which wouldn't even work.

                                      In 1860, only 400,000 people owned slaves, and the goofballs who push this "reparations" silliness want 240,000,000 white people to pay up for being slave owners 150 years later. The "40 acres and a mule" crowd are ridiculous.

                                      I mean after all the school dropout rates, single parent households, and criminal activity can ALL be "blamed" on racism, and if you disagree with that assertion that simply "proves" what a "racist" you truly are.

                                      The problem with that theory is that most crimes against blacks are committed by other blacks. When a black murder victim is rolled into the morgue, it's almost invariably a black hand that pulled the trigger to put him there. In the USA, the leading cause of death among black males 18-24 is homicide, and homicide almost always stays within the same racial classification. In Cincinnati, in 2009 there were 44 male homicide victims. Not one of them were white.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #6.37 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:27 AM EST
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                                      jrone

                                      Maybe they should just leave Milwaukee .

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#7 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:06 PM EST
                                      Plantsmantx

                                      MLK should have just left the Georgia, huh?

                                      There are was story about the rates of drivers being stopped by the Milwaukee police a while back. Black drivers are stopped at twice the rate of whites, but are discovered to have contraband at half the rate of the whites who are stopped. Think about that.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #7.1 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:46 PM EST
                                      jrone

                                      As long as they don't go to Memphis.

                                        #7.2 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:08 AM EST
                                        MeanGene-3334839

                                        There are was story about the rates of drivers being stopped by the Milwaukee police a while back. Black drivers are stopped at twice the rate of whites, but are discovered to have contraband at half the rate of the whites who are stopped. Think about that.

                                        That's actually not true, the contraband rate was 22% for both races stopped.

                                        That's actually kind of ridiculous in my mind. ONE IN FIVE SEARCHES RESULTS IN FOUND CONTRABAND?

                                        What kind of outlaw hellhole has 22% of people running around with contraband in their vehicles? Cripes, the closest thing I've ever had to contraband in my truck is a Tim McGraw CD.

                                        Which, incidentally, makes me wonder at the so-called "South Side Incident" in the article where a black man is playing Reggae Music so loudly that it can be heard from 50 feet away and then claims he was profiled. That's pretty loud, a good 4 car lengths at least and that's the kind of thing that attracts the police.

                                        If you don't want to attract the police, then don't do stupid crap that tends to attract the police like blaring music loud enough to annoy people for half a freaking block away.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #7.3 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:38 AM EST
                                        Plantsmantx

                                        After the stop, Milwaukee police searched the vehicles of black drivers twice as often as whites, or one search for every 12 stops. But police found contraband items in searches involving black drivers at almost the same rate as whites - about 22% of the time.

                                        Ok. Twice the rate of searches, the same rate of contraband.

                                        If you don't want to attract the police, then don't do stupid crap that tends to attract the police like blaring music loud enough to annoy people for half a freaking block away.

                                        Definitely. I'm sure that every black person who got stopped had attracted the police in some similar way.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #7.4 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:48 AM EST
                                        MeanGene-3334839

                                        Ok. Twice the rate of searches, the same rate of contraband.

                                        A rate is a rate. I still think 22% is through the roof. That's good police work with figures like that, fantastic police instincts on display. Unless, of course, you WANT contraband on the streets, which I don't.

                                        Definitely. I'm sure that every black person who got stopped had attracted the police in some similar way.

                                        There were 200,000 stops in Milwaukee in 2010, a city with a population of 600,000 people. The odds of being stopped are pretty good, so why even treat it as an unusual event? If you're driving then you can be stopped. If you're carrying contraband around then you ought to be stopped.

                                        Cops are students of human behavior. They know who to stop by the way they act. I've gone on many a ride-along with cops and seen what they look for. Vehicles with headlights off or body damage could say "drunk driving" and a driver who suddenly gets off the road when spotting a cop could say "wants and warrants". It's not racial, it's just good common sense and good police work.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #7.5 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:32 AM EST
                                        angelaisafan

                                        Cops are students of human behavior

                                        A newborn infant is a student of human behavior. (common sense)

                                          #7.6 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:55 PM EST
                                          John Franklin Mason

                                          Maybe they should just leave Milwaukee .

                                          jrone

                                          That would be ideal wouldn't it? Like the tens, if not hundreds, of millions of European immigrants who fled oppression in their homelands during the chronological History of the United States rather than stand for freedom, liberty and equality in the country of their origins. A great many found it easier to come here and take advantage of the natives eh?

                                          Heck, why don't you follow many a family ancestral tradition and leave gosh darn it!

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #7.7 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:52 AM EST
                                          MeanGene-3334839

                                          Heck, why don't you follow many a family ancestral tradition and leave gosh darn it!

                                          I'd leave Milwaukee in a heartbeat, same as anybody with the means to leave that racist anti-White crime-riddled hellhole would leave.

                                          Have you heard of the phenomenon called "White Flight"? It's where the middle class and wealthy leave the urban areas to the destruction of poverty and take their money and lives to better places which don't have the social ills brought by school dropouts, druggies and crooks with rap sheets as long as your arm.

                                          Who in the HELL is stupid enough to live next to these people?

                                          • The Single Mom. You know she's not going to have control of her punk kids and that they're going to be a bunch of worthless delinquents doing their graffiti crap, stealing and vandalism. Single Moms breed gangbangers.
                                          • The Convict. With a 60% recidivism rate, you pretty much know it's just a matter of time before the worthless bastard commits another crime because that's all he's good for.
                                          • The Dope Dealer. These bottomfeeders attract the scum of the earth; dope addicts who will whore themselves out for a rock of crack, thieves who will bust a $300 car window to get a $5 Music CD, and all of the robberies, thuggery and other trappings of dopers.
                                          • The Prostitute. You don't dare look to investigate a rustle in the bushes because you know what's going down. Used condoms in the gutters really add a touch of class to a neighborhood.

                                          I wouldn't live in Milwaukee. The place is completely trashed and not fit for anybody with a decent income to live in.

                                          It's not racism, even though it's called "White Flight". It's a simple case of nobody wants a crack whore for a neighbor. Nobody wants to live in a neighborhood or area prone to riots.

                                          Riots don't happen in Republican Cities, only Democrat ones. That's why you hear about riots in Los Angeles, Chicago and Detroit, but have you ever heard of a riot in Phoenix, Arizona? This city is in that class, it's the fifth largest city in the USA and bar none the largest capitol city in the United States, but it's too Republican to riot.

                                          Milwaukee, on the other hand...

                                          Then the dolts who have a problem with income 'inequality' their 'hoods get mad that people with the ability to leave actually do get up and leave, and take their money with them for the 'hood to rot in its own filth, crime and depravity.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #7.8 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:50 AM EST
                                          John Franklin Mason

                                          MeanGene you certainly got all down pat don't you?

                                          I also noticed how wealthy Corporations abandoned countless factories and warehouses leaving brown fields and unsafe buildings. How middle class and the wealthy are the main patrons of the drug and prostitution trades in the ghetto's and I do admit that some of their cars are broken into while they are turning a trick.

                                          Speaking of single mothers many of the White middle class and wealthy tricks are the prostitutes babies daddy's and the only support the fathers pay is whatever he pays her for the trick. He does not know his children, does not support his children (other than perhaps the taxes he pays that goes for welfare), and he is likely to be among those against his taxes being used to pay for food stamps, medical care, housing for his own kids and talk about Christian Family Values.

                                          Your White middle class, the wealthy and Christians contribute a great deal to the filth, crime and depravity in the "Hood."

                                          Like Rush Limbaugh I was convicted of a felony. During my time incarcerated I designed the images used on 14 model years of Cadillacs brought and driven by the wealthy, and, 14 years of Chevrolet's brought and driven by the middle class including the award winning car of the year 1977 Chevrolet. Nearly every exterior detail of those full size Deville's, Broughams, Caprices along with 1979-1985 Eldorado's and Toronado's were created by my hand in a prison cell and not a General Motors design studio. I also designed some of the interiors; seats, door panels and dashboards.

                                            #7.9 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:09 PM EST
                                            MeanGene-3334839

                                            MeanGene you certainly got all down pat don't you?

                                            Not at all, I'm just stating the obvious. I'm a troubleshooter by trade, electronics is my specialty and in any broken circuit, the cause of failure is invariably close to where the smoked components are. If there's a bad neighborhood, then the cause of the badness will be found in the neighborhood, obviously.

                                            I also noticed how wealthy Corporations abandoned countless factories and warehouses leaving brown fields and unsafe buildings. How middle class and the wealthy are the main patrons of the drug and prostitution trades in the ghetto's and I do admit that some of their cars are broken into while they are turning a trick.

                                            Good old class warfare. Middle class and the wealthy wouldn't be caught dead in the ghettos. I certainly don't slum around like that. I've got far better places to be than wallowing among human debris. The poor are the ones who foul their own nests.

                                            Speaking of single mothers many of the White middle class and wealthy tricks are the prostitutes babies daddy's and the only support the fathers pay is whatever he pays her for the trick.

                                            Racists wouldn't use Black hookers. Your argument is ridiculous. A true racist would consider a Black whore to be a form of bestiality. It would be akin to paying for sex with a sheep in the mind of a racist.

                                            Your White middle class, the wealthy and Christians contribute a great deal to the filth, crime and depravity in the "Hood."

                                            Whites don't even go to the "Hood." There's nothing in the "Hood" for a decent human being. I have no interest in whores, I hate drugs so much that I'll narc anyone out for them and they'd better hope the cops come before I lose my cool. I've got nothing but pure raw hatred for anyone who touches an illegal drug in my presence. I will not put up with that crap. Dopers belong in prisons or graves. Such subhuman vermin dopers do not belong on the streets with decent folk.

                                            Like Rush Limbaugh I was convicted of a felony.

                                            Rush Limbaugh wasn't ever on trial and was never convicted of anything. Rush Limbaugh is not a convicted felon. You're wrong on that count.

                                            Nearly every exterior detail of those full size Deville's, Broughams, Caprices along with 1979-1985 Eldorado's and Toronado's were created by my hand in a prison cell and not a General Motors design studio.

                                            General Motors doesn't design the car body, Fisher Carriage does. You're wrong on that count too.

                                            No prison would allow inmates to have access to drafting facilities because they'd be easily bent to crafting an escape plan. The Warden would look like an idiot in an investigation of the ensuing escape.

                                            General Motors would never engage felons as design engineers either, since GM makes armored vehicles and tanks, which require the designers to pass background checks for obvious reasons. The Presidential Limousine is a Cadillac and the Secret Service wouldn't stand for a design created by an outlaw.

                                            That's why it's important to obey the law. All the time. Every time. Without exception. No excuses.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #7.10 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:19 PM EST
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                                            pokermik

                                            Quote from the seed:

                                            In other words, America’s great experiment has failed. Overall, it has practically destroyed the Black community in Milwaukee, Wisconsin to the degree that Milwaukee's Black community is perceived as an uncivilized group of people by the rest of humanity on the planet.

                                            The black community in Wisconsin is not without blame contributing to racial tensions.

                                            Mob of 200-300 black youths attacked random white people leaving the Wisconsin State Fair last summer.

                                            http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html


                                            • 4 votes
                                            Reply#8 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:12 PM EST
                                            John Franklin Mason

                                            Mob of 200-300 black youths attacked random white people leaving the Wisconsin State Fair last summer.

                                            pokermik

                                            That's bull. Fights broke out among a few black kids and the others were spectators. Yet all or most the Black kids were escorted off the gounds and crowded the streets were a couple whites shouted out something and a few kids attacked cars and a couple people.

                                            That is a large part of the problem with racism, things look different in Black and White. Like the "Christian Family Values" of the Founding Fathers, men know to rape their baby mama's and even sell their own children yet the Founders are honored by the Religious Right. Go firgure eh?

                                              Reply#9 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:09 AM EST
                                              MeanGene-3334839

                                              That's bull. Fights broke out among a few black kids and the others were spectators.

                                              That's indefensible criminal behavior. You're not actually defending this hooliganism, are you?

                                              Yet all or most the Black kids were escorted off the gounds and crowded the streets were a couple whites shouted out something and a few kids attacked cars and a couple people.

                                              In other words, they rioted. It was a race riot. Race riots are synonymous with "Black". Every time somebody says the word "race riot" like the Watts riots, the L.A. riots, the Chicago riots and others, they're talking about blacks rioting. This is what leads to the stereotype of Blacks and violence.

                                              That is a large part of the problem with racism, things look different in Black and White.

                                              It's not any part of racism. Look at the pictures of 43 violent gangbangers arrested yesterday in New York. Tell me how many white faces you see in those pictures. There aren't any. No matter who looks at those pictures, they're going to see the same colored noses.

                                              When people watch reality TV shows like "Cops" and "Tru TV", they'll see the difference in behavior of Blacks and Whites towards law enforcement. Respect is a two-way street and if the cops don't get any respect then they're under no obligation to give any back.

                                              Chris Rock gave a public service announcement on how Blacks can avoid getting an ass kicking from the police. That wasn't racist, that was funnier than Hell because all humor needs an element of truth.

                                              Like the "Christian Family Values" of the Founding Fathers, men know to rape their baby mama's and even sell their own children yet the Founders are honored by the Religious Right. Go firgure eh?

                                              Even a basic civics education will point out the that the Founding Fathers believed strongly in seperation of Church and State and that most were not Bible-thumpers by a long shot. Any reading of the Federalist Papers will find little mention of religion at all because the Founding Fathers weren't supportive of religion in any way, shape, manner, or form.

                                              The Religious Right don't put pictures of George Washington in Churches. There are no photos of Thomas Jefferson in hymnals. There's no support for your rather ridiculous assertion.

                                              I don't like the founders because they grew marijuana. I'd have their asses thrown in jail for it.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#10 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:47 AM EST
                                              John Franklin Mason

                                              That's indefensible criminal behavior. You're not actually defending this hooliganism, are you?

                                              MeanGene

                                              MeanGene you are really full of it. How are "spectators" hooliganism engaging in criminal behavior?

                                              You might call it being mean but you are being racist is what it is, flat out. Blacks People did riot during the 60's for civil rights, what's called their Freedom, Liberties and Equality. All Black People were not and are not for taking any more crap like Martin Luther King Jr. did in getting hosed, beat down and dogs set upon them as they peacefully protest.

                                              American Soldiers who fought and won the War for Independence in turn had to "riot" in insurrection and rebellion against the States after the War. Armed Veterans surrounded the Congress after the War with England forcing the dumping of the Articles of Confederation, constituted by the Founders, and the framing of the Constitution of the United States.

                                              Only the people that are oppressed and denied have cause to riot.

                                              MeanGene you say things like:

                                              I don't like the founders because they grew marijuana. I'd have their asses thrown in jail for it.

                                              There really does not seem to be a point or logic to much of what you say. It appears that you just want to vent something and other than racism you don't really seem to know what it is nor do you realise that you are in fact being racist.

                                                #10.1 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:19 PM EST
                                                MeanGene-3334839

                                                MeanGene you are really full of it. How are "spectators" hooliganism engaging in criminal behavior?

                                                If you're not doing something to stop it, then you're an accessory to it. Seeing people get assaulted is not something you just sit and watch. You call the cops, you shoot the attacker to get him to stop, and you do whatever it takes to end the attack. Nobody has the right to swing a fist at another human being. That should be a death penalty offense.

                                                You might call it being mean but you are being racist is what it is, flat out. Blacks People did riot during the 60's for civil rights, what's called their Freedom, Liberties and Equality. All Black People were not and are not for taking any more crap like Martin Luther King Jr. did in getting hosed, beat down and dogs set upon them as they peacefully protest.

                                                If they were peaceful then there wouldn't be any hosings or dogs. Those things only happen to violent people, and those things should happen to violent people. They're criminals.

                                                Only the people that are oppressed and denied have cause to riot.

                                                Rioters are criminals and deserve to be treated as such. Only criminals would riot. It takes a particularly despicable person to engage in rioting.

                                                There really does not seem to be a point or logic to much of what you say. It appears that you just want to vent something and other than racism you don't really seem to know what it is nor do you realise that you are in fact being racist.

                                                It's racist to oppose criminal deeds? Who but a criminal could support a ridiculous argument like that? I'm far from being racist. I just hate criminals, no matter what color they may be.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #10.2 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:16 PM EST
                                                John Franklin Mason

                                                MeanGene you have convinced me the least you have to worry about is being racist. You have more pressing issues.

                                                  #10.3 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:38 PM EST
                                                  MeanGene-3334839

                                                  MeanGene you have convinced me the least you have to worry about is being racist. You have more pressing issues.

                                                  You skate on thin ice when you make the debate about the person and not the issue.

                                                  I'm clean as a whistle. I've passed a top secret clearance to work on crypto comms in the US Navy. I've passed every law enforcement background check with flying colors. I had no problem getting a concealed carry weapons permit in Arizona and I can carry a concealed gun in about 30 States because I'm a trustworthy individual. I have no problem working with the DEA, USPS, IRS, INS, FBI or any other Federal agency because I OBEY THE LAW.

                                                  When you spend your life obeying the law and not getting into trouble doing dumb crap like drugs and stealing stuff, then the world of opportunity is wide open to you. Trust is worth money, big money and that's why felons usually find themselves poorer than dirt.

                                                  If you'd just follow basic rules, like never lie, never cheat, never steal, and obey the law then there's no hurdles to living in the USA. Get a diploma, go to college, get a trade, and you'll wind up better off than 80% of Americans who made stupid mistakes in their lives (I've never made a mistake at all, except maybe voting for Ross Perot).

                                                  Racism is a pathetic crutch used by people who broke the rules to explain away failures in life.

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  #10.4 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:39 AM EST
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                                                  Doris Jude Porter

                                                  Milwaukee Citizens keep putting in the same politicians and expecting different results, that is insane. Tell the truth and shame the devil!!!

                                                    Reply#11 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:31 PM EST
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